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Canadian General Synod says "Ex-Gays - Shut Up - We include everybody except you" - Peter O
An Exercise in the Fundamentals of Orthodoxy
Canadian General Synod says "Ex-Gays - Shut Up - We include everybody except you"
At 5 minutes to 8 in the evening EST (00:55 BST) Canadian General Synod voted to amend a motion on Same-Sex Blessings to include a consultation on the experiences of gay and lesbian people. However, a motion to amend this to also include "ex-gays and lesbians" was defeated.


Since when did the voice of people like myself, Mario Bergner and thousands of others who have found God's healing and restoration from homosexual attraction not count? Is it because inclusivism is only allowed when it fits a particular political agenda?

Jeffrey Satinover in "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth" tracks the way that the discussion over sexuality in North America has been hijacked and truthful dialogue subverted in order to support a particular political agenda, namely the public support of same-sex activity. Beginning with the historic APA vote in 1973, which moved in contrary to the then current psychological understanding of homosexuality. In the 30 years since then no evidence has emerged that there is a substantive biological, genetic or chemical basis to homosexual attraction. This has not stopped the gay lobby promulgating both the fallacious "One in Ten" assertion and equally the notion that you are "Born Gay" (a notion for which there is no scientific evidence to this day).

But let's put aside questions of science. The motion before Canadian General Synod was apparently framed in an atmosphere of inclusion and pastoral affection. Finally General Synod was doing something for the down-trodden minority, finally it was listening. The spirit of inclusivity and openness was being delivered in support of all excluded groups.

Except of course it wasn't, because by voting down the ex-gay amendment they demonstrated that this motion had nothing to do with listening, nothing to do with rescuing minorities and very little to do with freedom and respect. At 5 to 8 the illiberalism of Liberalism was demonstrated for all to see, shown to be bankrupt and simply a front for political agendas. If the Liberal wing of Canadian General Synod were really interested in listening they would not have silenced ex-gays. If they were really interested in supporting minorities they wouldn't have stamped on the hundreds and thousands of ex-gays in their parishes. If they were really interested in showing respect they would have extended the hand of friendship to people like myself.

But no, let's be quite clear what General Synod was actually saying. At 5 to 8 General Synod said it cared little or nothing about me. At 5 to 8 General Synod said that my voice wasn't worth hearing.

At 5 to 8 General Synod said that I was not a brother in Christ.

Congratulations Canadian General Synod - at 5 to 8 you just demonstrated not only the power (or absence) of the Spirit of Christ within you but also the truth of the love behind the liberal wing.

God Bless the Anglican Church of Canada, because nobody else can help you now.

Current Mood: annoyed annoyed

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prester_scott From: prester_scott Date: June 2nd, 2004 05:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Anglican Church of Canada is only going where the Episcopal Church USA has already gone -- i.e., following a siren's song to death beneath the waves.

But God is only pruning the branches so that more fruit will grow.
pould From: pould Date: June 2nd, 2004 05:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm furiousm, I'm steaming, I'm just totally lost for words. What they did was outrageous!
prester_scott From: prester_scott Date: June 2nd, 2004 05:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I totally understand. I would be too.

It's just that (a) I'm not ex-gay, so I don't feel it as personally; and (b) I did such mourning as I was ever going to do back in ...what, 1991?...when I left ECUSA for a Continuing Church.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 3rd, 2004 06:50 am (UTC) (Link)
You absolutely right to be steamed, as should be every rational person. It is the exclusivity of the liberal left at work. It is a political movement that liberal church leaders are forcing on the church. And it will be stopped. This is the first step of uncovering the liberals' duplicity. From that standpoint you can rejoice. Because now their secret is out of the bag. They are not inclusive; they are a political movement, pure and simple. And now everyone knows it. This is a blessing in disguise. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. And God bless you, Peter.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 5th, 2004 09:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Peter, I sent your comments re the Canadian synod to an Anglican e-group in Canada, most of whom (though not all) are revisionist. Only a very few saw the point. Thanks for all of you who are praying for Anglicans in my country. Though I am now living in the States, I care very much for my friends back in Canada, and am worried that their leaders won't have the nerve to take a strong stand.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 2nd, 2004 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am not registered to your site but I concur with your frustration. I am from the USA and have a major probolem with the positions of ECUSA on these issue of sexuality. I am a recovering Roman Catholic, who is now a member of the Episcopal Church USA. I cannot understand why they (ECUSA) file Friends of the Court Briefs at the US Supreme Court supporting Gay Sex, why ECUSA is one of the official sponsors of the recent Wanshington DC Pro-Abortion Rally, why ECUSA sent their lawyers to argue for same sex unions in Vermont.....etc. and the sacrilidge continues.

Maybe if Canada moves the same way that will tip the balance for the rest of us to be able to retain our relationships the the world wide communion. ECUSA and Canada will have to decide if they want to start their own Church or just dissappear.

Regards, and God Bless

David E. Nevalainen
Baileys Harbor WI USA
jamweb2003 From: jamweb2003 Date: June 2nd, 2004 08:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

:: shrugs ::

Yeah...everyone should just become a Latter-day Saint.

God Bless!
pould From: pould Date: June 2nd, 2004 11:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: :: shrugs ::

jamweb2003 From: jamweb2003 Date: June 3rd, 2004 05:28 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: :: shrugs ::

LOL....okie dokie...just a suggestion. :-)
brennakate From: brennakate Date: June 2nd, 2004 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
That is really upsetting.
deltamiss From: deltamiss Date: June 2nd, 2004 09:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I knew a doctor in the U.S. who left the Southern Baptist church (back in the '60s) and became an Episcopalian because, at the time, blacks were excluded from worshipping in the Baptist churches. The doctor even resigned from the Board of the Baptist Hospital because blacks were not getting the quality treatment that whites were getting.

Now the man is struggling with the decisions made by the Episcopal church concerning same-sex unions, abortions, etc.

The pendulum has swung as far as it can, I hope. Soon, and very soon, there will be a revival the likes of which no man has seen. We can only hope.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 2nd, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Ex-Gays Excluded

Thank you Peter for a brilliant illustration of how the new order in the AAC (with the best of intentions) results in exclusion. What the pro-side do not grasp is that their zeal to include excludes many, many more. Beware the zealots. Baptism is not enough. This watered down resolution confims that the AAC no longer has any connection with the Word of God as set out in Scripture. With this watered down resolution we weaken the AAC to the point of having no measureable contribution to make to society or to feeding our spirits with the Word of God. The AAC becomes a social club with baptism as the initiation rite.
We at St. Martin's in the Diocese of New Westminster are very familiar with this process of rot at work in the Diocese and the AAC at large. St. Martin's has petitioned the Supreme Court of BC alleging the Bishop has broken corporate law, and other suits are being prepared.
Without God's Word in the form of scripture the AAC becomes just another social club subject to the whims of the administration of the day. We have seen the effects of that whimsical power at St. Martin's. The damage done to St. Martin's, the D. of N.W., and the AAC is because God's Word has been turned away from so some can follow the devices of their own hearts. This is sin. It is because they refuse to turn from their sinful ways that God's hand is at work in separating the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats.

Ron Barrett
St. Martin's, D. of N.W.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 5th, 2004 08:02 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ex-Gays Excluded

Does Ron Barrett mean ACC? ACC is the Anglican Church of Canada. The ACC is, I believe, the American Anglican Council.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 5th, 2004 08:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ex-Gays Excluded

The last line in that reply should have been: The AAC is, I believe, the American Anglican Council.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 4th, 2004 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)

'Tunde P.

The more the faithful pray, the clearer the picture becomes. Will you guys have to leave the 'Church' for the ungodly or will Christ overthrow them, or remove the candlestick for ACC from His presence? We, sharing the same name (A) with you are praying esp. for the saints who we are sure will triumph. Amen.
brennakate From: brennakate Date: June 19th, 2004 05:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Please keep me/us updated on these issues. I live in America, but obviously I feel strongly about this issue and would like to be informed. I also have friends who are members of the Anglican Church.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 28th, 2004 04:41 pm (UTC) (Link)

ex-gays discriminated against

More evidence of intolerance against ex-gays.
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